His Dark Materials: The Movie

Loop · 12-13-2004, 12:51 AM

I know someone's been chirping about the books at me, but I saw this and wondered: How the hell does that work?

In a nutshell, the books are about "a battle against the church and a fight to overthrow God."
So for the movie version, they're going to remove all references to the church and God.

Am I the only one who doesn't get it?

Alexandros · 12-13-2004, 04:08 AM

pmike conned you into this, didn't he?

Well, it's like how they made Troy without reference to the Greek gods.

Loop · 12-13-2004, 08:59 AM

No, he didn't. Why would he?

And did they? Bloody Political Correctness.

thegloaming · 12-13-2004, 10:43 AM

Yep. 'Troy' makes no reference to the Gods whatsoever. Very, very bad.

And... they intend to remove religious references from a story which tells about the Church and God. Oh hell, this doesn't sound good...

Anyways, I wonder if the books are good. I've never found them in any of the libraries of my city... and they are rather expensive at bookstores...

Alexandros · 12-14-2004, 03:18 AM

I hear the books are good but I haven't gotten my ass around to reading them.

And note how Patrocles somehow became Achilles' "cousin".

Loop · 12-14-2004, 09:00 AM

Would I be right in thinking this Patrocles was actually his lover?

thegloaming · 12-14-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexandros

And note how Patrocles somehow became Achilles' "cousin".

Indeed, Alex... not to mention Briseis, who became much more than a mere war trophy...

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Originally Posted by Loop

Would I be right in thinking this Patrocles was actually his lover?

Right indeed, Loop. But Hollywood changed it... I guess they thought it would affect the movie's performance. After all, you know how far prejudice can go...

Loop · 12-14-2004, 01:44 PM

Well, it's the Americans' fault. And the religious.

thegloaming · 12-14-2004, 02:03 PM

Damn ultra-conservative behaviour.

It would be nice if they managed to release His Dark Materials with all the references... but oh, they won't be allowed. Guess censorship will live forever, huh?

MHG · 12-15-2004, 01:05 AM

It's 'The Clockwork Orange' all over again. Surely a film that provokes discussion is a good thing. Something that'll actually challenge the viewer. I found some parts of the books increadibly chilling. Goose bumps.

My Mum read it and she's a devout Christian. She loved it for what it was. A challenging and emotive journey. Unlike LotR but that's for a different thread...

Loop · 12-15-2004, 01:12 AM

What about "A Clockwork Orange"? Was there a book?

MHG · 12-15-2004, 01:19 AM

Dunno. I've only ever seen the film. That challenged the government and society. woo

Loop · 12-15-2004, 01:26 AM

Banned for quite a few years, was it not?
Can't see why, personally.

MHG · 12-15-2004, 01:31 AM

The director banned it himself from the UK. It was a life-long ban. HIS life. When he died, the UK was allowed to see it.

It's a weird film but you need to see it a few times before you can truely appriciate it.

"I'm singing in the rain..."

Loop · 12-15-2004, 01:34 AM

"Joyful, joyful, we adore thee; God of glory, Lord of love!"